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#1 Posted : 25 December 2016 13:28:13(UTC)
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It's Christmas Day. Things got off to the best possible start with a visit to Blackweir parkrun this morning. Lovely mild weather and another huge turnout. Lots of Santa outfits and plenty of festive cheer. Several runners kindly stopped to give me sweets, and more than one athlete stopped to give me a big kiss (mind you, it doesn't have to be Xmas for Tracey to kiss me). So things were really tickety boo.
Of course, Xmas can be both happy and stressful. You can be as romantic as you like, but it's for good reason that Caroline and I agree that the best Xmas song is that classic by the Pogues. It simply most accurately depicts what often happens.

So I thought I'd escape to write you a few lines. I'm a regular Sunday night quiz goer, and there's nothing more I like than a good discussion, be it politics, religion or whatever. I'll stay away from that and given that this is a running website will ask you a simple question "Who is the greatest distance runner of all time?"

Of course, we all would have a view, and could make all kinds of claims for our personal favourites.
Lots of these discussions fill our running magazines and social media. Lots of variables to ponder.
However, for runners of a certain age, probably older than me i.e. late sixties and seventies, the name Ron Clarke might pop up. I know, many of you may never have heard of him. That's partly why writing a message like this is such fun.

I only met Ron once. And met is probably the wrong word. Caroline and I were sleeping in a very busy Heathrow terminal whilst bound for Rome and the 1987 World Athletics Championships. Ron almost stepped on me. In my annoyance, I looked up and saw who it was. I think my subsequent excitement was lost on Caroline, but never mind. It was good to see the great man.

Ron Clarke was simply an athletic legend 50 years ago. However, he sadly became known as the man who could break records, but not win gold medals. He did, however, have one Olympic gold medal. I'll let Ron tell you the story himself, because it's a wonderful compassionate tale which restores your faith in humanity (and we need a bit of that just now!)

It's a great story. And given that Christmas is a family time, Ron Clarke is a great choice because the documentary reveals he was a man with great family values.

So if you're feeling fed up with all the usual Christmas films, or simply want a break, take a look. Running 50 years ago was very different to today. But this isn't meant to be a Christmas lecture, it's meant to be a story that everyone can enjoy. It takes 40 minutes.

Someone more technically minded than me will, I'm sure, provide the link.
Go to You Tube, and insert Ron Clarke Documentary. The programme was called Maestro, it was first shown more than 30 years ago on BBC2 and involves an interview between Ron and Barry Davies.
Enjoy!



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#2 Posted : 25 December 2016 15:43:26(UTC)
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Here you go. I shall take a look at this over the next few days.

Ron Clarke, Maestro LINK
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#3 Posted : 25 December 2016 20:40:05(UTC)
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I will have to watch that!

I think this man deserves a mention too though Mick! Smile

https://youtu.be/6--kiYKx9kA
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#4 Posted : 25 December 2016 21:10:55(UTC)
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Extremely difficult to answer. What criteria do you use to judge? What events should be included? Should sprinters (Usain Bolt) or off roaders be included (Joss Naylor, Bob Graham) be included?

In no particular order:

Philippides (530 BC–490 BC), an Athenian herald or hemerodrome[2] (translated as "day-runner" (Kyle 2007),[5] "courier" (Larcher 1806),[6][7] "professional-running courier" (Sears 2003)[2] or "day-long runner" (Miller 2006)[8]), was sent to Sparta to request help when the Persians landed at Marathon, Greece. He ran about 240 km (150 mi) in two days. He then ran the 40 km (25 mi) from the battlefield near Marathon to Athens to announce the Greek victory over Persia in the Battle of Marathon (490 BC) with the word νικῶμεν (nikomen[9] "We win!"), as stated by Lucian chairete, nikomen ("hail, we are the winners")[10] and then collapsed and died.



Herbert James "Herb" Elliott AC MBE (born 25 February 1938) is a former Australian athlete and one of the world's greatest middle distance runners of his era. In August 1958 he set the world record in the mile run, clocking 3:54.5, 2.7 seconds under the record held by Derek Ibbotson; later in the month he set the 1500 metres world record, running 3.36.0, 2.1 seconds under the record held by Stanislav Jungwirth. In the 1500 metres at the 1960 Rome Olympics, he won the gold medal and bettered his own world record with a time of 3:35.6.

Few people have ever exercised such absolute authority in any branch of sport as Elliott did in middle distance running from 1957 to 1961. During that span he never lost a 1500 metres or 1-mile race.[2] During his career, he broke four minutes for the mile on 17 occasions.



Kenenisa Bekele (Amharic: ቀነኒሳ በቀለ; born 13 June 1982) is an Ethiopian long-distance runner, who holds the world record and Olympic record in both the 5,000 metres and 10,000 metres events. He won a double at the 2008 Summer Olympics in these events; he also won the 2004 Olympic title over 10,000 m.

He is the most accomplished runner in IAAF World Cross Country Championships history, with six long (12 km) course and five short (4 km) course titles. He won the 10,000 m title at the World Championships in Athletics four times running from 2003 to 2009 (matching Haile Gebrselassie's win streak). Kenenisa was unbeaten over 10,000 m from his debut in 2003 until 2011, when he failed to finish at the World Championships final.

At the 2009 World Championships in Athletics he became the first man to win both 5000 m and 10,000 m title at the same championships. Over 5000 m he has also won an Olympic silver (2004), World Championship bronze (2003), two African Championship titles and one All-Africa Games gold medal. He also won the 3000 metres title at the World Indoor Championships in 2006.

Kenenisa is considered one of the greatest distance runners of all time, owning several world records and an array of medals. On 6 April 2014, he produced the sixth fastest marathon debut ever on a record eligible course with his victory at the Paris Marathon, in a course record time of 2:05:04.



Haile Gebrselassie (Amharic: ኃይሌ ገብረ ሥላሴ?, haylē gebre silassē; born 18 April 1973) is a retired Ethiopian long-distance track and road running athlete. He won two Olympic gold medals over 10,000 metres and four World Championship titles in the event. He won the Berlin Marathon four times consecutively and also had three straight wins at the Dubai Marathon. Further to this, he won four world titles indoors and was the 2001 World Half Marathon Champion.

Haile had major competition wins at distances between 1500 metres and the marathon, moving from outdoor, indoor and cross country running to road running in the latter part of his career. He broke 61 Ethiopian national records ranging from 800 metres to the marathon, set 27 world records, and is widely regarded as the greatest distance runner in history.[2][3][4][5][6]

In September 2008, at the age of 35, he won the Berlin Marathon with a world record time of 2:03:59, breaking his own world record by 27 seconds. The record stood for three years. Since he was over the age of 35, that mark still stands as the Masters Age group world record.



Mohamed Muktar Jama "Mo" Farah, CBE (Somali: Maxamed Mukhtaar Jaamac Faarax) (born 23 March 1983) is a British distance runner.[11] On the track, he mostly competes over 5000 metres and 10,000 metres, but has run competitively from 1500 metres to the marathon.

The most successful British track athlete in modern Olympic Games history, he is the 2012 and 2016 Olympic gold medallist in both the 5000 m and 10,000 m. He is the second athlete in modern Olympic Games history, after Lasse Virén, to successfully defend the 5000 m and 10,000 m titles. Farah also completed the double at the 2013 and 2015 World Championships in Athletics. He was the second man in history to win long-distance doubles at successive Olympics and World Championships, and the first in history to do the quadruple-double.[12]

Born in Somalia, Farah moved to the UK as a child. He was originally based in London and ran for Newham and Essex Beagles athletics club, training at St Mary's University College, Twickenham from 2001 to 2011. Farah runs distance races tactically, but also can maintain a fast pace and has a quick sprint finish.

Farah is the European record holder for the 1500 m, 10,000 m, half marathon and two miles, the British record holder for the 5000 m, the European indoor record holder for 5000 m, the British indoor record in the 3000 m and the current indoor world record holder for the two miles.

He is the most decorated athlete in British athletics history, with nine global titles, and was the first British athlete to win two gold medals at the same world championships. His five gold medals at the European Athletics Championships make him the most successful individual athlete in championships history. He has won the European Athlete of the Year award and the British Athletics Writers Association British Athlete of the Year award more than any other athlete, three times and six times respectively. Farah was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 2013.

IMHO MO needs some world records & he gets it!

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
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#5 Posted : 25 December 2016 21:33:28(UTC)
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Thanks, Howard. The question was just an excuse to show what I think is a wonderful interview with an athlete who was a huge influence when I was very young. I could just have easily picked Herb Elliot or Peter Snell, although I don't have so much footage of them. However, given how much You tube has developed, I'm sure you can also watch their greatest races too, especially as Elliot was a superstar when the Commonwealth Games came to Cardiff in 1958.
By the way, I've more ideas for VHS footage for you, this time from the 1980s.
More great stories from an era when some of our members weren't even born.
I'll E Mail you details tomorrow and give you the tapes when I next see you. Absolutely no urgency to process.
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#6 Posted : 25 December 2016 22:35:07(UTC)
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My choices

Paula Radcliffe as I don't think her marathon time will be beaten any time soon
Dick Bearsdley as he was in Alberto Salazar's shadow and the duel in the sun is a great book that I would recommend to everyone.
Haile Gebrselassie as he is just a legend.
Sonia O'Sullivan and not just because Matt Townsend beat her
Ingrid Kristensen and not just because I beat her!
David Rudisha as his front running style is phenomenal.
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#7 Posted : 25 December 2016 23:06:29(UTC)
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I had debated in my mind whether to include Paula. On a personal level I had considered whether her marathon performance might be classified as best ever by male or female, (though others are far more qualified than me to judge). However, I think a consistent championship performance over a range of distances should be included in any comparison of greatest ever runner.
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
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#8 Posted : 26 December 2016 01:17:13(UTC)
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Thanks, Howard. The question was just an excuse to show what I think is a wonderful interview with an athlete who was a huge influence when I was very young. I could just have easily picked Herb Elliot or Peter Snell, although I don't have so much footage of them. However, given how much You tube has developed, I'm sure you can also watch their greatest races too, especially as Elliot was a superstar when the Commonwealth Games came to Cardiff in 1958.
By the way, I've more ideas for VHS footage for you, this time from the 1980s.
More great stories from an era when some of our members weren't even born.
I'll E Mail you details tomorrow and give you the tapes when I next see you. Absolutely no urgency to process.


I think Peter Snell had an unfair advantage as he had Arthur Lydiard as his Coach!

He did turn out to be his most successful student to be fair though. Smile

Edited by user 26 December 2016 01:18:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#9 Posted : 27 December 2016 13:30:22(UTC)
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Paula Ratcliff as Claire said it wil be along tine before her times are beatem also she inspired many females of all ages to take up running.

Ingrid Kristensen as without her there would be no female distance runners to day

Mo Farrow cause he so nice, down to earth and so inspriational

I would also say that all african, chinase and japness runners are very deadicated when it comes to running.

My dad cause he never gave up until his body said no more.

Also in our club there are loads of heros and inspriational runners.

Glad to have made your Christmas Mick
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