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Julian Baker
#1 Posted : 01 November 2013 19:58:25(UTC)
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I'm going paleo meat fruit veg sounds good to me
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#2 Posted : 01 November 2013 20:20:43(UTC)
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They all died at 35.

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Julian Baker
#3 Posted : 01 November 2013 20:28:43(UTC)
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They didn't people after them did who adopted modern farming methods
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#4 Posted : 02 November 2013 14:38:06(UTC)
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Carbos from where? LOL
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#5 Posted : 02 November 2013 16:54:19(UTC)
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Carbo from the meat mainly
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#6 Posted : 02 November 2013 17:03:02(UTC)
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I would have to give up bread.
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#7 Posted : 02 November 2013 17:49:50(UTC)
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It may turnout to be nightmare but it's fun to try out
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#8 Posted : 02 November 2013 18:28:00(UTC)
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Tried it, MEAT for breakfast.
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#9 Posted : 02 November 2013 20:15:30(UTC)
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Protein shake?
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#10 Posted : 02 November 2013 20:48:20(UTC)
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Do you have to kill it yourself, or can it be roadkill?
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Julian Baker
#11 Posted : 02 November 2013 20:53:46(UTC)
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You could use the car as a weapon good idea
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#12 Posted : 02 November 2013 21:48:47(UTC)
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The paleo diet can be a problem for runners if not planned well due to the low carb intake (typically a proposed paleo diet might only provide 20% of calories which based on the typical 2500 cal intake for blokes would equate to ~125g carbs/day). Also be wary of inadequate calcium intake as a paleo diet would exclude dairy (a neolithic food). As well as low calcium intake being dodgy for bone health its also a potential problem for muscle function as calcium is essential for muscle contraction so endurance runners would be more prone to the effects.

Whether the paleo diet is better than a modern 'healthy' diet is debatable. The paleo diet is a pretty vague concept as it encompasses such a huge period of time. Also since agriculture/ farming has changed our lives in the last 10,000ish years (neolothic period) our gastrointestinal system has evolved to better deal with carbs including lactose (milk sugar).

The actual nutritional breakdown of the paleo diet is debatable also although is generally promoted as high protein, low carb. Looking at hunter gathers that still exist today there's a huge variation in where calories are sourced with some hunter gathere communities relying heavily on tubors and roots (therefore high carb) whilst others such as Inuit's relying almost exclusively on protein (seafood and polar bears).

Oh and relying on protein shakes would be cheating more than likely as protein shakes tend to contain whey protein which is derived from dairy food.

Best of luck....
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Julian Baker
#13 Posted : 02 November 2013 22:23:52(UTC)
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It's an interesting subject but fruit and veg give you calcium apparently cereals have phytates that block the absorption of minerals more later
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#14 Posted : 03 November 2013 00:30:16(UTC)
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Does exclude Belgium beer and if so ....why ?
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#15 Posted : 03 November 2013 01:08:38(UTC)
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Yep calcium from other foods is possible but much more difficult. The minimum recommended daily intake being 700mg (more for some members of the population). A portion of dairy foods (eg 250ml glass of milk/ 125g pot of yoghurt) provides ~250mg calcium whereas even a relatively calcium rich fruit such as an orange will only give 50mg or 1oz almonds (about 20)= 80mg. You could use calcium fortified fruit juice but that'd be cheating as you'd be using a man made functional food. One exception is small bony oily fish (sardines/pilchards) as they're uber rich in calcium (can provide upto 500mg per large serving) as long as you eat the bones. And don't forget good old vit D as it's essential for you to absorb calcium. Vit D foods are limited (eggs, fortified cereals, margarine, oily fish).

It is definitely do-able to meet your calcium needs but it just take a little planning.

Yep grains do contain phytates and they will reduce absorption of iron and zinc in particular but as as a bloke your iron and zinc requirements aren't high so it usually isn't a major issue as long as you include iron and zinc rich foods regularly.

PS Jules how do you get carbs from protein foods? (apart from metabolic conversion which is inefficient and energy demanding)

PPS Not sure how alcohol fits into the paleo diet???

Its an interesting topic
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#16 Posted : 03 November 2013 10:07:28(UTC)
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For calcium use tinned salmon, the bones are nice & crunchy!

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Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
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To aid iron absorption take with vitamin C & avoid tea as it binds iron.
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
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#18 Posted : 03 November 2013 16:57:59(UTC)
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Not sure tea was the chosen beverage of the paleo hunter gatherer??

Paleo diet aside its the tanin in tea that binds iron and reduces absorption. But tanins are also present in many other common foods/fluids such as berries, wines, some beers, some fruit juices (eg berry based drinks) orange coloured soft drinks and some nuts therefore if an individual is concerned re iron levels then they need to consider these.

Vit C is only relevant for non haem iron (plant sources) and someone following a paleo diet (considered to be low in iron binding phytates) will probably get adequate haem iron (animal source) which is much more readily absorbed therefore there isn't usually an issue with bio-availability. And a middle aged bloke's (sorry Julian) iron needs are easy to obtain.

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Short Circuit (Howard Kent) on 04/11/2013(UTC)
Julian Baker
#19 Posted : 04 November 2013 14:51:59(UTC)
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Calcium intake should be easy by just eating lots of fruit and veg more than before I would say pop outside and get some vit D from the sun alcohol not paleo that's true fruit plus veg also give carbs but I think you would be taking in fewer which could be a problem but your body may adapt to using its fat as a fuel rather than glycogen which seems to run out at around two hrs of running.
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#20 Posted : 04 November 2013 23:43:15(UTC)
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Yep, well planed you can meet calcium needs from non dairy foods.

Re carbs from roots and tubers you should get plenty by relying on potatoes and sweet potatoes as a staple. Sweet potatoes have the added bonus of being very rich in several nutrients and have a low glycaemic index therefore release their carbs slowly providing longer lasting energy.

Relying too much on fat for energy especially when running will increase the risk of bonking.

Don't rely on vit D from sunlight during the colder months as we sit too high up in the globe so the sunlight is too weak so dietary sources of vit D are important.
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